lisa, nice to speak with you again. tell us about whether we're likely to see a deal. is it false hope at this point? >> i don't think it's false hope, karen. the mood has picked up at these meetings here in bali. many of the delegates feel that the world's first multi lateral trade deal is inches away from getting this done. the closing ceremony has been delayed and we have been told that negotiations are intense and they are ongoing. it's all down, of course, to one final issue. it's been the issue at these talks, which is the way the wto rules will affect india's state security program, subsidized products over this program. and india could easily reach that level and they would have to pay fines for the so-called moratorium, the so-called peace clause expires. so they are pushing to have that extended and that's what's being worked out right now. don't forget, there's an election coming up in india in may towards the end of the month. they don't want to have to go back to voters and explain the possibility of possibly having to scale back food subsidies. so this is